Cold weather tips for runners with asthma?
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I have ‘normal’ asthma but can run okay providing I warm up first and take my inhalors. What concerns me at the moment is the air is getting colder in England and I am told this could be a problem. Does anyone have any tips or suggestions? Thanks Kevin Taylor
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> I have ‘normal’ asthma but can run okay providing I warm up first and take my > inhalors. What concerns me at the moment is the air is getting colder in > England and I am told this could be a problem. Does anyone have any tips or > suggestions?
Cold air is harder to breath for me, all other things being equal, as I think it is for many asthmatics. I have found no solution to running in the cold except one – slowing down. I cannot do speed work in cold weather and, generally speaking, as it gets colder, I slow down. I start to wheeze when I’m running too fast for the temperature, but I can usually continue my normal easy running pace until the temperature is well below freezing, so I’m content to slow down in the winter and trying and put in more mileage instead. -S- – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thanks > Kevin Taylor
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> I have ‘normal’ asthma but can run okay providing I warm up first and take my > inhalors. What concerns me at the moment is the air is getting colder in > England and I am told this could be a problem. Does anyone have any tips or > suggestions?
I used to bring an inhaler with me. I’d run for about 5 minutes or so, get a little bit of asthma, take a puff, then be fine for the rest of the run. — "Will you have another drink, Mr Descartes?" "I think not," said Descartes…& vanished. You can carry a pig for six miles, but if you set it down it might run away.
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> I have ‘normal’ asthma but can run okay providing I warm up first and take my > inhalors. What concerns me at the moment is the air is getting colder in > England and I am told this could be a problem. Does anyone have any tips or > suggestions? > Thanks > Kevin Taylor
Do a Buteyko Course! You will then learn to exercise with your mouth closed and therefore only breath through your nose. Try it now in the cold – Take a breath from your mouth and feel how cold the air is when it hits your lungs, then take a breath through you nose and I bet you will be surprised at how much warmer it is. I wouldn’t recommend you going out and running with your mouth closed from now on, you should really do a Buteyko course first, to learn the proper techniques. Cheers, The Red Roman.
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>Do a Buteyko Course! >You will then learn to exercise with your mouth closed and therefore >only breath through your nose. Try it now in the cold – Take a breath >from your mouth and feel how cold the air is when it hits your lungs, >then take a breath through you nose and I bet you will be surprised at >how much warmer it is. I wouldn’t recommend you going out and running >with your mouth closed from now on, you should really do a Buteyko >course first, to learn the proper techniques.
Please tell us. In over 40 years has Buteyko theory ever been tested scientifically? And why has Buteyko theory never been modified or discarded in order to apply the new understanding about asthma that have occurred in that time frame? BTW, has it ever occurred to you that many people cannot supply enough air through the nose for serious exercise (maintaining your body above the aerobic rate)? — "We are fighting today for security, for progress, and for peace, not only for ourselves but for all men, not only for one generation but for all generations. We are fighting to cleanse the world of ancient evils, ancient ills." Franklin Delano Rosevelt State of the Union Address – 1942
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With copd and asthma, that’s all I would need is cold in my lungs. What are you nuts! UM MOM Susan,ps push your product to others who care!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have ‘normal’ asthma but can run okay providing I warm up first and take my > inhalors. What concerns me at the moment is the air is getting colder in > England and I am told this could be a problem. Does anyone have any tips or > suggestions? > Thanks > Kevin Taylor > Do a Buteyko Course! > You will then learn to exercise with your mouth closed and therefore > only breath through your nose. Try it now in the cold – Take a breath > from your mouth and feel how cold the air is when it hits your lungs, > then take a breath through you nose and I bet you will be surprised at > how much warmer it is. I wouldn’t recommend you going out and running > with your mouth closed from now on, you should really do a Buteyko > course first, to learn the proper techniques. > Cheers, > The Red Roman.
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>BTW, has it ever occurred to you that many people cannot supply enough >air through the nose for serious exercise (maintaining your body above >the aerobic rate)?
Colin, does that 55 year-old battle ax grandmother/trainer tell you guys how to breath when you run? A technique that works great for me is to breath with the cadence of your stride pace. Inhale and exhale through your mouth (when you are at or above your aerobic heart rate) by inhaling in a two step-count, then exhaling in a two-step count. The faster and harder your run, the more you will automatically breathe. Of course, if you can hitch a ride in a Hummer, so much the better. Then you can breathe through your nose all you want.
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i tried this 2 step breathing for years, and it never worked. then i was diagnosed with asthma. glad it works for some people, but please don’t presume it will work for everyone.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->BTW, has it ever occurred to you that many people cannot supply enough >air through the nose for serious exercise (maintaining your body above >the aerobic rate)? > Colin, does that 55 year-old battle ax grandmother/trainer tell you > guys how to breath when you run? A technique that works great for me > is to breath with the cadence of your stride pace. Inhale and exhale > through your mouth (when you are at or above your aerobic heart rate) > by inhaling in a two step-count, then exhaling in a two-step count. > The faster and harder your run, the more you will automatically > breathe. > Of course, if you can hitch a ride in a Hummer, so much the better. > Then you can breathe through your nose all you want.
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> > I have ‘normal’ asthma but can run okay providing I warm up first and take > my > inhalors. What concerns me at the moment is the air is getting colder in > England and I am told this could be a problem. Does anyone have any tips or > suggestions? > Thanks > Kevin Taylor
I sometimes take a hit of Albuterol 10 min _before_ running. Waiting for symptoms to take it does not work well. I am also on Singulair and that helps a lot to hold off asthma symptoms all by itself, but cold can require that extra hit of Albuterol. — Lou Pecora – My views are my own.
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> Inhale and exhale > through your mouth (when you are at or above your aerobic heart rate) > by inhaling in a two step-count, then exhaling in a two-step count. > The faster and harder your run, the more you will automatically > breathe.
Most athletes do this pacing automatically. In fact the dynamics of running appear to allow the body to be more efficient by pacing breathing with locomotion. Horses do it automatically, I think with the same 2 steps (cycles) to 1 in or out breath you recommend. I agree that nose breathing is hard (impossible? impossible for me) to do at high aerobic rates. — Lou Pecora – My views are my own.
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> i tried this 2 step breathing for years, and it never worked. then i was > diagnosed with asthma. glad it works for some people, but please don’t > presume it will work for everyone.
What works for you? I find that 1 to 1 breathing is too fast. I also found that when my asthma acted up during a run making breathing _out_ harder (yes, out not in), then I could switch to a kind of 5/4 time: Two steps In, Three steps out. I am not kidding. It worked – although I had to concentrate a little more on it (some music experience actually came in handy here 
). But I would rather run at 2:1 ratio of two steps in, two steps out. Whatever pacing I use, I must say that pacing is always _much_ better than random breathing for me. — Lou Pecora – My views are my own.
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The following medless tactic for avoiding EIA works for me except in very cold weather or late at night in a cold atmosphere full of car fumes. Start slowly with enough nose or throat resistance (maybe up to 30 cms water column) to stop asthma. Gradually increase exertion till normal, relying on the resistance. Do not limit breathing rate. The whole thing is a bit idiosyncratic and unsociable of course but I suppose long warm-ups for those with breathing problems are as well. Regards, Richard Friedel – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> i tried this 2 step breathing for years, and it never worked. then i was > diagnosed with asthma. glad it works for some people, but please don’t > presume it will work for everyone. > What works for you? > I find that 1 to 1 breathing is too fast. I also found that when my > asthma acted up during a run making breathing _out_ harder (yes, out > not in), then I could switch to a kind of 5/4 time: Two steps In, > Three steps out. I am not kidding. It worked – although I had to > concentrate a little more on it (some music experience actually came in > handy here ). But I would rather run at 2:1 ratio of two steps in, > two steps out. Whatever pacing I use, I must say that pacing is always > _much_ better than random breathing for me. > — > Lou Pecora > – My views are my own.
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I was given inhaler to use 15 min before excercise, which seemed to take care of it at the time (with 2 step or 3/2 step breathing (5/4 in music notation)). since then i am on singular, but have not started back up the exercise routine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> i tried this 2 step breathing for years, and it never worked. then i was > diagnosed with asthma. glad it works for some people, but please don’t > presume it will work for everyone. > What works for you? > I find that 1 to 1 breathing is too fast. I also found that when my > asthma acted up during a run making breathing _out_ harder (yes, out > not in), then I could switch to a kind of 5/4 time: Two steps In, > Three steps out. I am not kidding. It worked – although I had to > concentrate a little more on it (some music experience actually came in > handy here ). But I would rather run at 2:1 ratio of two steps in, > two steps out. Whatever pacing I use, I must say that pacing is always > _much_ better than random breathing for me. > — > Lou Pecora > – My views are my own.
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>The following medless tactic for avoiding EIA works for me except in >very cold weather or late at night in a cold atmosphere full of car >fumes. Start slowly with enough nose or throat resistance (maybe up to >30 cms water column) to stop asthma. Gradually increase exertion till >normal, relying on the resistance. Do not limit breathing rate. The >whole thing is a bit idiosyncratic and unsociable of course but I >suppose long warm-ups for those with breathing problems are as well.
How do you measure airways resistance when running? I pre-medicated for the first month until my body had become accustomed to the cold air and use a loosely woven breath mask on extra chilly days to prewarm the air. The only problem I have faced is an over stressed ligament in my knee. (Which I am seeing the doctor about tomorrow. Fortunately, Army doctors have _lots_ of experience with athletic injuries.) — "We are fighting today for security, for progress, and for peace, not only for ourselves but for all men, not only for one generation but for all generations. We are fighting to cleanse the world of ancient evils, ancient ills." Franklin Delano Rosevelt State of the Union Address – 1942
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What temperatures are you concerned with? Around freezing point or ten + degress below? I should have mentioned that it was a question of inspiratory suction, which can be measured with about 2 yards of infusion hose made into a water manometer. One end is placed well back in the mouth and the other in a glass of water. By increasing nose resistance one gets up to approx. 30 cms of water column. Put in plain English, you could say that you were breathing heavily through the nose with a snorting sound on an inhale. This stops asthma during slight exertion, but for jogging and/or heavy pollen loads in the air, mouth breathing will be needed with a slight stridor to get the same resistance. In my case there is a range of impairment by a not too heavy pollen load or cold air, where stepping up inspiratory suction not only stops EIA but also means that after some time the effect of such cold air dies away and normal jogging is possible. Obviously the whole thing has to be done in gentle stages and without ever decompensating breathing and provoking attacks of coughing. Regards, Richard Friedel – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->The following medless tactic for avoiding EIA works for me except in >very cold weather or late at night in a cold atmosphere full of car >fumes. Start slowly with enough nose or throat resistance (maybe up to >30 cms water column) to stop asthma. Gradually increase exertion till >normal, relying on the resistance. Do not limit breathing rate. The >whole thing is a bit idiosyncratic and unsociable of course but I >suppose long warm-ups for those with breathing problems are as well. > How do you measure airways resistance when running? I pre-medicated > for the first month until my body had become accustomed to the cold > air and use a loosely woven breath mask on extra chilly days to > prewarm the air. The only problem I have faced is an over stressed > ligament in my knee. (Which I am seeing the doctor about tomorrow. > Fortunately, Army doctors have _lots_ of experience with athletic > injuries.) > — > "We are fighting today for security, for progress, > and for peace, not only for ourselves but for all > men, not only for one generation but for all > generations. We are fighting to cleanse the world > of ancient evils, ancient ills." > Franklin Delano Rosevelt > State of the Union Address – 1942
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Did someone say with air full of car exhaust? I hope not, because no matter what conditioned way you train your nose,or however how cold it is outside, this is a losing proposition.Pollution from car and bus exhaust is one of the worse things you can breathe for your body or lungs.Consider not exercising if you only have that choice.Having said that, I still see many yg women especially ,run on the streets.I gues they feel safer but after talking to a few experts and reading about pollution, you will kill yourself faster by running on busy streets, then even if you couldn’t exercise anymore.Its getting to a point you have to monitor the air for carbon dioxide, for particulates, for ozone, and never run with allot of street traffic, Trust me I use to before I knew all this and now have breathing problems
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> What temperatures are you concerned with? Around freezing point or ten > + degress below? > I should have mentioned that it was a question of inspiratory suction, > which can be measured with about 2 yards of infusion hose made into a > water manometer. One end is placed well back in the mouth and the other > in a glass of water. By increasing nose resistance one gets up to > approx. 30 cms of water column. > Put in plain English, you could say that you were breathing heavily > through the nose with a snorting sound on an inhale. > This stops asthma during slight exertion, but for jogging and/or heavy > pollen loads in the air, mouth breathing will be needed with a slight > stridor to get the same resistance. > In my case there is a range of impairment by a not too heavy pollen load > or cold air, where stepping up inspiratory suction not only stops EIA > but also means that after some time the effect of such cold air dies > away and normal jogging is possible. > Obviously the whole thing has to be done in gentle stages and without > ever decompensating breathing and provoking attacks of coughing. > Regards, Richard Friedel > >The following medless tactic for avoiding EIA works for me except in > >very cold weather or late at night in a cold atmosphere full of car > >fumes. Start slowly with enough nose or throat resistance (maybe up to > >30 cms water column) to stop asthma. Gradually increase exertion till > >normal, relying on the resistance. Do not limit breathing rate. The > >whole thing is a bit idiosyncratic and unsociable of course but I > >suppose long warm-ups for those with breathing problems are as well. > How do you measure airways resistance when running? I pre-medicated > for the first month until my body had become accustomed to the cold > air and use a loosely woven breath mask on extra chilly days to > prewarm the air. The only problem I have faced is an over stressed > ligament in my knee. (Which I am seeing the doctor about tomorrow. > Fortunately, Army doctors have _lots_ of experience with athletic > injuries.) > — > "We are fighting today for security, for progress, > and for peace, not only for ourselves but for all > men, not only for one generation but for all > generations. We are fighting to cleanse the world > of ancient evils, ancient ills." > Franklin Delano Rosevelt > State of the Union Address – 1942
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> The following medless tactic for avoiding EIA works for me except in
very cold weather or late at night in a cold atmosphere full of car fumes. Start slowly with enough nose or throat resistance (maybe up to 30 cms water column) to stop asthma. Gradually increase exertion till normal, relying on the resistance. Do not limit breathing rate. The whole thing is a bit idiosyncratic and unsociable of course but I suppose long warm-ups for those with breathing problems are as well. > Regards, Richard Friedel
I, and perhaps most others in this newsgroup, don’t understand the concept of nose or throat resistance, how it is measured, how it is created, and how it stops asthma. Could you explain?
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To create nose resistance on inhaling, just stroke the sides of your nose gently. Resistance is increased directly by inward movement of nostrils and/or by reflex action. You can measure this using a fine PVC hose with one end well back in the mouth and the other in a glass of water held at a lower level. You sense the resistance of the nose in the chest. You can get the same feeling by inhaling through partly closed vocal chords. The descriptions of and studies on SIMT devices lead us to believe that such devices not only build up inspiratory muscle strength but also change lung function. There is therefore some reason to believe that any increasing of inspiratory suction would have useful effects, although an immediate effect on EIA would not seem completely logical. My starting point was also as follows. It does seem to be a common experience that long walks or other prolonged mild exercise with nose breathing under ideal pollen free conditions with air at normal temperatures do leave you feeling your asthma has improved. This is in contrast to my experiments with running and trying to reduce breathing by relating breathing to pace. Just led to weird effects if and also possibly, still worse, to fits of coughing. It seems fair to suppose that the beneficial effect of prolonged exercise with nose breathing is due to inspiratory suction rather than a reduction in respiration rate. So I did have the aim of somehow outwitting my old foe EIA (exercise induced asthma) by such a natural means, because walks simply took up too much time. I’m just thinking of the situation of someone climbing a hill and prepared to grasp at anything remotely likely to forestall EIA coming on with its extremely disheartening effects. Voluntarily increasing upper airways resistance on inhaling helped me. Meant I could, with some practice, manage steep hills after a time. Regards, Richard Friedel – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The following medless tactic for avoiding EIA works for me except in > very cold weather or late at night in a cold atmosphere full of car > fumes. Start slowly with enough nose or throat resistance (maybe up to > 30 cms water column) to stop asthma. Gradually increase exertion till > normal, relying on the resistance. Do not limit breathing rate. The > whole thing is a bit idiosyncratic and unsociable of course but I > suppose long warm-ups for those with breathing problems are as well. > Regards, Richard Friedel > I, and perhaps most others in this newsgroup, don’t understand the concept of > nose or throat resistance, how it is measured, how it is created, and how it > stops asthma. Could you explain?
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