avoiding getting colds?
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I don’t think any responsible herbalist would recommend taking echinacea or any >other herb known to produce an adverse reaction in a particular individual. I >can take echinacea but not cayenne, paprika, nutmeg or mace. >Colin Campbell responded: > How would a ‘responsible herbalist’ be able to predict if an > individual is likely to have an adverse reaction? >Note that wrote "known to produce an adverse reaction". Just as a conventional >MD questions a patient on what drugs produce adverse reaction, a responsible >herbalist would likely question the client/patient on herb/food allergies and >intolerances. Since herbs are plant materials, there would be in some cases a >relation to food allergies, which would not usually be the case with >pharmaceuticals.
However it is impossible to predict that any particular person will not have a reaction to echinacea. This is one of the reasons that it should not be used by anybody with allergies and/or asthma. IMO any ‘responsible herbalist’ would not recommend this herb because the known risks greatly outweigh its demonstrated benefits. "It’s not American foreign policy, or the plight of the Palestinians, or America’s longstanding support for Israel. A group of people with money and weaponry have simply decided that we, as a civilization, are unfit to live, and want, eventally, to exterminate us." ‘Christian Century’ magazine
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>I don’t think any responsible herbalist would recommend taking echinacea or any >other herb known to produce an adverse reaction in a particular individual. I >can take echinacea but not cayenne, paprika, nutmeg or mace.
Colin Campbell responded: > How would a ‘responsible herbalist’ be able to predict if an > individual is likely to have an adverse reaction?
Note that wrote "known to produce an adverse reaction". Just as a conventional MD questions a patient on what drugs produce adverse reaction, a responsible herbalist would likely question the client/patient on herb/food allergies and intolerances. Since herbs are plant materials, there would be in some cases a relation to food allergies, which would not usually be the case with pharmaceuticals. > You may want to reconsider the C with enchinacea if your asthma is > allergy related partly to pollin. A herbal remedy book suggests the > pollin in enchinacea is not recommended for asthma/allergy problems.
Most usual part of echinacea used in herbal medicine is the root. You don’t get any pollen that way.
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>I don’t think any responsible herbalist would recommend taking echinacea or any >other herb known to produce an adverse reaction in a particular individual. I >can take echinacea but not cayenne, paprika, nutmeg or mace.
Colin Campbell responded: > How would a ‘responsible herbalist’ be able to predict if an > individual is likely to have an adverse reaction?
Note that wrote "known to produce an adverse reaction". Just as a conventional MD questions a patient on what drugs produce adverse reaction, a responsible herbalist would likely question the client/patient on herb/food allergies and intolerances. Since herbs are plant materials, there would be in some cases a relation to food allergies, which would not usually be the case with pharmaceuticals.
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>I don’t think any responsible herbalist would recommend taking echinacea or any >other herb known to produce an adverse reaction in a particular individual. I >can take echinacea but not cayenne, paprika, nutmeg or mace.
How would a ‘responsible herbalist’ be able to predict if an individual is likely to have an adverse reaction? "It’s not American foreign policy, or the plight of the Palestinians, or America’s longstanding support for Israel. A group of people with money and weaponry have simply decided that we, as a civilization, are unfit to live, and want, eventally, to exterminate us." ‘Christian Century’ magazine
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You may want to reconsider the C with enchinacea if your asthma is allergy related partly to pollin. A herbal remedy book suggests the pollin in enchinacea is not recommended for asthma/allergy problems.
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>You may want to reconsider the C with enchinacea if your asthma is >allergy related partly to pollin. A herbal remedy book suggests the >pollin in enchinacea is not recommended for asthma/allergy problems.
I would suggest that echinacea be reconsidered in terms of being on the market at all. Any pharmaceutical with such a poor safety profile would be yanked off the shelves by the FDA and it would be a national scandal that it was allowed to be sold in the first place. "It’s not American foreign policy, or the plight of the Palestinians, or America’s longstanding support for Israel. A group of people with money and weaponry have simply decided that we, as a civilization, are unfit to live, and want, eventally, to exterminate us." ‘Christian Century’ magazine
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Not getting a cold for me is very impt. now as i’ve been put on an MAOI, and can therefore take no over the counter remedies. What do you suggest for effect irrigation? Bruce >Are you speaking of avoiding the common cold or not getting asthma. >Common cold virus enters the nose via a product called ICAM -1. There is a >discussion of using pulsatile irrigation during the cold season to prevent >common colds by removing ICAM 1 by irrigation at >www.ent-consult.com >Murray Grossan, M.D. >http://www.ent-consult.com >http://www.TinnitusRelief.net >http://www.emedicine.com/ent/topic516.htm
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> These are from the Mayo clinic about this herb. > http://www.mayoclinic.com/findinformation/conditioncenters/invoke.cfm… > http://www.mayoclinic.com/findinformation/conditioncenters/invoke.cfm… > on this last link, scroll down to echinacea and you will see the warnings. > UM MOM Susan
I trust I put these URLs together from the two parts because they both worked, and I have no trouble keeping each one on one line. Both these web pages stated cautions regarding echinacea, but there was no blanket statement that anybody with allergies or asthma should avoid echinacea. One of these web pages recommended that anybody with allergies in the daisy family (which would be Asteraceae) avoid echinacea, which is in this family. But lettuce, dandelion and ragweed are also in this same family, and how often do you hear recommendations to avoid lettuce for anybody allergic to ragweed? I don’t think any responsible herbalist would recommend taking echinacea or any other herb known to produce an adverse reaction in a particular individual. I can take echinacea but not cayenne, paprika, nutmeg or mace.
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Are you speaking of avoiding the common cold or not getting asthma. Common cold virus enters the nose via a product called ICAM -1. There is a discussion of using pulsatile irrigation during the cold season to prevent common colds by removing ICAM 1 by irrigation at www.ent-consult.com Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com http://www.TinnitusRelief.net http://www.emedicine.com/ent/topic516.htm
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >You seem do be doing everything possible–except that you should not be > >taking echinacea with asthma. > what’s the problem with using echincea w/asthma? > lynn > aroberts again: > http://www.allergy.org.au/month/Echinacea.htm > This is one of many reports of allergic reactions to echinacea, particularly > to those with asthma. > I’ve taken a fair amount of echinacea, can’t really say if it did good, but it > did no harm. I don’t think there is any justification for a blanket rule on > not taking echinacea with asthma and allergies, and most herbalists seem to > agree with me. Clearly one should not persist in taking echinacea when there > is an allergic reaction thereto, but that would apply just as well to other > herbs and foods. Allergic reactions to fish, seafood, milk, eggs and peanuts > can be severe, but do we hear authorities saying that people with asthma should > all avoid these foods even if not allergic?
No, but we hear them saying that one should avoid echinacea if one has asthma or allergies, just as I posted. Since such a reaction is often unpredictable, why take the chance? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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These are from the Mayo clinic about this herb. http://www.mayoclinic.com/findinformation/conditioncenters/invoke.cfm… id=4C95D5A8-F413-4D1B-9DDE519DC617ED6C http://www.mayoclinic.com/findinformation/conditioncenters/invoke.cfm… id=9F7C4783-8C98-4FF1-90CA8C470E032926 on this last link, scroll down to echinacea and you will see the warnings. UM MOM Susan
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >You seem do be doing everything possible–except that you should not be > >taking echinacea with asthma. > what’s the problem with using echincea w/asthma? > lynn > aroberts again: > http://www.allergy.org.au/month/Echinacea.htm > This is one of many reports of allergic reactions to echinacea, particularly > to those with asthma. > I’ve taken a fair amount of echinacea, can’t really say if it did good, but it > did no harm. I don’t think there is any justification for a blanket rule on > not taking echinacea with asthma and allergies, and most herbalists seem to > agree with me. Clearly one should not persist in taking echinacea when there > is an allergic reaction thereto, but that would apply just as well to other > herbs and foods. Allergic reactions to fish, seafood, milk, eggs and peanuts > can be severe, but do we hear authorities saying that people with asthma should > all avoid these foods even if not allergic?
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>You seem do be doing everything possible–except that you should not be >taking echinacea with asthma. > what’s the problem with using echincea w/asthma? > lynn
aroberts again: > http://www.allergy.org.au/month/Echinacea.htm > This is one of many reports of allergic reactions to echinacea, particularly > to those with asthma.
I’ve taken a fair amount of echinacea, can’t really say if it did good, but it did no harm. I don’t think there is any justification for a blanket rule on not taking echinacea with asthma and allergies, and most herbalists seem to agree with me. Clearly one should not persist in taking echinacea when there is an allergic reaction thereto, but that would apply just as well to other herbs and foods. Allergic reactions to fish, seafood, milk, eggs and peanuts can be severe, but do we hear authorities saying that people with asthma should all avoid these foods even if not allergic?
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>I’ve taken a fair amount of echinacea, can’t really say if it did good, but it >did no harm. I don’t think there is any justification for a blanket rule on >not taking echinacea with asthma and allergies, and most herbalists seem to >agree with me. Clearly one should not persist in taking echinacea when there >is an allergic reaction thereto, but that would apply just as well to other >herbs and foods. Allergic reactions to fish, seafood, milk, eggs and peanuts >can be severe, but do we hear authorities saying that people with asthma should >all avoid these foods even if not allergic?
The problem is that there is a good chance that you will become allergic and have a reaction. Basically, the demonstrated beneficial effects of the stuff do not justify the dangers. If this were a pharmaceutical product – it would not be considered to be safe enough for human use. "It’s not American foreign policy, or the plight of the Palestinians, or America’s longstanding support for Israel. A group of people with money and weaponry have simply decided that we, as a civilization, are unfit to live, and want, eventally, to exterminate us." ‘Christian Century’ magazine
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>This is one of many reports of allergic reactions to echinacea, particularly >to those with asthma.
thank you for letting me know I am allergic to 3 different presb medications but< I’ve been taking echinacea for a week now, not knowing of this problem and I haven’t had a reaction so I’m safe and thanks again lynn
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>>This is one of many reports of allergic reactions to echinacea, particularly >to those with asthma. >thank you for letting me know >I am allergic to 3 different presb medications but< I’ve been taking echinacea >for a week now, not knowing of this problem and I haven’t had a reaction so I’m >safe >and thanks again
You are not safe. People who have "safely" used the stuff have had reactions. Echinacea is simply unsafe. It is only on the market because the supplement industry is exempt for the laws designed to protect the medical consumer. "It’s not American foreign policy, or the plight of the Palestinians, or America’s longstanding support for Israel. A group of people with money and weaponry have simply decided that we, as a civilization, are unfit to live, and want, eventally, to exterminate us." ‘Christian Century’ magazine
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>You seem do be doing everything possible–except that you should not be >taking echinacea with asthma. > what’s the problem with using echincea w/asthma? > lynn
http://www.allergy.org.au/month/Echinacea.htm This is one of many reports of allergic reactions to echinacea, particularly to those with asthma.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > This has always been my prime season for problems with asthma, it’s most > acute fall-winter > I know my triggers and this time of year a big is colds and/or bronchitis > for the 1st time though I’m on singular and Advair 250/50 > usually only one one allergy med, that’s changed too; clartin, flonase and > patanol > I added Vit. C, euchina, also take B complex, Vit. E, potasium, magensium, > and calcium w/Vit D (not for asthma) along with being on other presp meds > not to do with asthma > I can avoid sick ppl, pneumnia and flu vacinnes are up to update, wash hands > freq. > any other suggestions?
Do nasal irrigation frequently. It keeps the passages moist, enabling germs to be swept out of there. And it physically washes germs out of there. I use the Grossan tip attached to my WaterPik. NEVER touch your nose or eyes with your hands before washing them thoroughly first. When you purchase items at a store, or get your mail from your mailbox, remember someone with a cold may have handled it and contaminated it. (I’ve seen sales clerks with bad colds stamping price info on merchandise, and sneezing right on it.) When someone coughs or sneezes and deposits wet secretion on an environmental surface, 95% of the viruses die off as the snot dries. But the remaining 5% is still an infectious dose. From then on, the viruses began to die off exponentially. The half-life of cold viruses is about 73 minutes (for average humidity). So for any item you bring into your house–groceries, mail, deliveries, etc.–ASSUME that the item will be contaminated for about 48 hours. Always wash your hands after handling the items until the 48 hours has elapsed. A cold is most contagious when the cold sufferer is sneezing and nose-blowing–typically the first few days. But a cold sufferer continues to shed virus for a week or two AFTER symptoms have stopped. So when someone "reassures" you that their cold is gone, STILL keep your distance–they’re still contagious. If you do feel a cold coming on, immediately take Zicam nasal spray. Zicam is a zinc gel, that many folks find can shorten both the duration and the severity of a cold–if you start taking it immediately when you first feel the cold coming on. — Steven D. Litvintchouk
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>This has always been my prime season for problems with asthma, it’s most >acute fall-winter >I know my triggers and this time of year a big is colds and/or bronchitis >for the 1st time though I’m on singular and Advair 250/50 >usually only one one allergy med, that’s changed too; clartin, flonase and >patanol >I added Vit. C, euchina, also take B complex, Vit. E, potasium, magensium, >and calcium w/Vit D (not for asthma) along with being on other presp meds >not to do with asthma >I can avoid sick ppl, pneumnia and flu vacinnes are up to update, wash hands >freq. >any other suggestions? every year at this its numerous ER visits, doesn’t >matter how often I use my peak flow
The most important thing you can do is stop taking the echinacea. The stuff is dangerous for people with allergies and/or asthma. "It’s not American foreign policy, or the plight of the Palestinians, or America’s longstanding support for Israel. A group of people with money and weaponry have simply decided that we, as a civilization, are unfit to live, and want, eventally, to exterminate us." ‘Christian Century’ magazine
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> This has always been my prime season for problems with asthma, it’s most > acute fall-winter > I know my triggers and this time of year a big is colds and/or bronchitis > for the 1st time though I’m on singular and Advair 250/50 > usually only one one allergy med, that’s changed too; clartin, flonase and > patanol > I added Vit. C, euchina, also take B complex, Vit. E, potasium, magensium, > and calcium w/Vit D (not for asthma) along with being on other presp meds > not to do with asthma > I can avoid sick ppl, pneumnia and flu vacinnes are up to update, wash hands > freq. > any other suggestions? every year at this its numerous ER visits, doesn’t > matter how often I use my peak flow > any ideas much appreciated, thanks >Keep experimenting if you’re not happy with your current situation. I >have read a bit lately about acid balance in the body and how too much >of things like Vitamin C isn’t necessarily good for you. You might >consider cutting out that one thing and seeing if you are better or >worse. Personally, I have cut back on my orange juice consumption and >vitamin C supplementation, opting for whole fresh fruits whenever I can, >and I feel better because of it. I’ve certainly had fewer cold – none – >since making this change about six months ago, and I normally get a cold >every month or two.
Good points; especially eating fresh fruits. As for the acidity of vitamin C, there are several forms available. Straight ascorbic acid will give you diarrhea at higher concentrations, which is suggestive that your body isn’t particularly thrilled with that much in your system. There are other forms of vitamin C available, for example mineral ascorbates. They are not acidic and do not cause diarrhea. I too was prone to colds, about 11 years ago. I still suffer periodic allergic symptoms, but they are far less acute. And I should be eating more fresh fruits and vegetables than I do.
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>You seem do be doing everything possible–except that you should not be >taking echinacea with asthma.
what’s the problem with using echincea w/asthma? lynn
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > This has always been my prime season for problems with asthma, it’s most > acute fall-winter > I know my triggers and this time of year a big is colds and/or bronchitis > for the 1st time though I’m on singular and Advair 250/50 > usually only one one allergy med, that’s changed too; clartin, flonase and > patanol > I added Vit. C, euchina, also take B complex, Vit. E, potasium, magensium, > and calcium w/Vit D (not for asthma) along with being on other presp meds > not to do with asthma > I can avoid sick ppl, pneumnia and flu vacinnes are up to update, wash hands > freq. > any other suggestions? every year at this its numerous ER visits, doesn’t > matter how often I use my peak flow > any ideas much appreciated, thanks
Keep experimenting if you’re not happy with your current situation. I have read a bit lately about acid balance in the body and how too much of things like Vitamin C isn’t necessarily good for you. You might consider cutting out that one thing and seeing if you are better or worse. Personally, I have cut back on my orange juice consumption and vitamin C supplementation, opting for whole fresh fruits whenever I can, and I feel better because of it. I’ve certainly had fewer cold – none – since making this change about six months ago, and I normally get a cold every month or two. I’ll also ask if you exercise. For me, even with all the medications, I never clear my chest quite as well as when I’ve gone out for a run or hard bike ride, and I’m convinced that really coughing up whatever gunk is inside me is a good thing. One could argue that the hard exercise causes the gunk to be there in the first place and, even if that’s true, the overall effect for me feels cleansing. Just my 2-cents worth, nothing more. -=S=-
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> This has always been my prime season for problems with asthma, it’s most > acute fall-winter > I know my triggers and this time of year a big is colds and/or bronchitis > for the 1st time though I’m on singular and Advair 250/50 > usually only one one allergy med, that’s changed too; clartin, flonase and > patanol > I added Vit. C, euchina, also take B complex, Vit. E, potasium, magensium, > and calcium w/Vit D (not for asthma) along with being on other presp meds > not to do with asthma > I can avoid sick ppl, pneumnia and flu vacinnes are up to update, wash hands > freq. > any other suggestions? every year at this its numerous ER visits, doesn’t > matter how often I use my peak flow > any ideas much appreciated, thanks > lynn
You seem do be doing everything possible–except that you should not be taking echinacea with asthma.
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This has always been my prime season for problems with asthma, it’s most acute fall-winter I know my triggers and this time of year a big is colds and/or bronchitis for the 1st time though I’m on singular and Advair 250/50 usually only one one allergy med, that’s changed too; clartin, flonase and patanol I added Vit. C, euchina, also take B complex, Vit. E, potasium, magensium, and calcium w/Vit D (not for asthma) along with being on other presp meds not to do with asthma I can avoid sick ppl, pneumnia and flu vacinnes are up to update, wash hands freq. any other suggestions? every year at this its numerous ER visits, doesn’t matter how often I use my peak flow any ideas much appreciated, thanks lynn —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >This has always been my prime season for problems with asthma, it’s most >acute fall-winter >I know my triggers and this time of year a big is colds and/or bronchitis >for the 1st time though I’m on singular and Advair 250/50 >usually only one one allergy med, that’s changed too; clartin, flonase and >patanol >I added Vit. C, euchina, also take B complex, Vit. E, potasium, magensium, >and calcium w/Vit D (not for asthma) along with being on other presp meds >not to do with asthma >I can avoid sick ppl, pneumnia and flu vacinnes are up to update, wash hands >freq. >any other suggestions? every year at this its numerous ER visits, doesn’t >matter how often I use my peak flow >any ideas much appreciated, thanks >lynn >—–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– >http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >—–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–
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