WHAT IS THE 5% CLUB?
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Sorry to bother you again, but I keep reading about this 5% club of yours. What is it? Your friend, Steve C. (showa-koi)
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The 5% Club is an honorary society for posters here who have managed to wrestle their HbA1c reading into the range of 5.0-5.9%. For most labs, this is in the middle of the "normal" range, and it is therefore a group recognition of that poster’s being in control of their diabetes. It should also be noted that this is a more difficult goal for Type-1s to achieve. I hope we can welcome you to the club soon. Jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Sorry to bother you again, but I keep reading about this 5% club of yours. > What is it? > Your friend, > Steve C. (showa-koi)
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It is a wonderful club that JC Hartman started from his heart for people who have an Hba1c of below 6.0 It gives us incentive to get his nice certificate in the group. Di
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sorry to bother you again, but I keep reading about this 5% club of yours. > What is it? > Your friend, > Steve C. (showa-koi)
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> It should also be noted that this is a more difficult goal for Type-1s to > achieve.
Thanks a lot 1 ;~( This particular Type 1 would like to make into the 6% club. How about a 6% club for those of us with mediocre expectations? — Keep Safe Anne in Seattle
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> > It should also be noted that this is a more difficult goal for Type-1s to > achieve. > Thanks a lot 1 ;~( This particular Type 1 would like to make into the 6% > club. How about a 6% club for those of us with mediocre expectations? > — > Keep Safe > Anne in Seattle
If you are a Type I it is NOT mediocre. It is better. A Type I trying to belong to the 5% club can very well have a severe hypo. To lead a newcomer Type I to believe that 6% is unacceptable could be dangerous to some, so I agree a 6% club for Type I’s is a good thing! Actually, there is a correlation between HBA1 C that shows that as you progress toward the 5% the increased benefits of such tight control decrease and are less to be desired than the increased possibility of resulting hypos. In other words, after a certain point there is a diminishing return and not worth the risk to a Type I. I admire Type II’s who can, with hard work and attention to detail, attain the 5% and lower. A Type I who maintains in the 6% level is also to be admired. They are walking a line that gives increased benefits of a good (not mediocre) HBA1C without the risk of severe (needing help of others to bring the hypo to an end) hypos. It is time for a 6% Club. That is the one to which I belong and, with Hypo unawareness, I am quite happy to stay there!!!! — Joanne Visit My Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Strasse/6736/ All About Insulin Pumps http://www.insulin-pumpers.org
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well said, Joanne… but i always believe that we have celebrated 6% in t1 diabetics — k t1 14 yr – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->It is time for a 6% Club. That is the one to which I belong and, with Hypo >unawareness, I am quite happy to stay there!!!! >– >Joanne
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I did the super tight control thing while I was pregnant and everything went well (If you don’t count I spent the entire 7 months in the hospital) but afterward all that happened is I gained weight. The last 3 years have been particularly hard with prednizone and cortisone treatments I’ve gained 75 pounds. Tight control <90 fasting <120 after meals just causes more weight gain. I’d settle for <180 after meals. What kind of numbers are you talking about? — Keep Safe Anne in Seattle – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > It should also be noted that this is a more difficult goal for Type-1s > to > > achieve. > Thanks a lot 1 ;~( This particular Type 1 would like to make into the 6% > club. How about a 6% club for those of us with mediocre expectations? > — > Keep Safe > Anne in Seattle > If you are a Type I it is NOT mediocre. It is better. A Type I trying to > belong to the 5% club can very well have a severe hypo. To lead a newcomer > Type I to believe that 6% is unacceptable could be dangerous to some, so I > agree a 6% club for Type I’s is a good thing! > Actually, there is a correlation between HBA1 C that shows that as you > progress toward the 5% the increased benefits of such tight control decrease > and are less to be desired than the increased possibility of resulting > hypos. In other words, after a certain point there is a diminishing return > and not worth the risk to a Type I. > I admire Type II’s who can, with hard work and attention to detail, attain > the 5% and lower. A Type I who maintains in the 6% level is also to be > admired. They are walking a line that gives increased benefits of a good > (not mediocre) HBA1C without the risk of severe (needing help of others to > bring the hypo to an end) hypos. > It is time for a 6% Club. That is the one to which I belong and, with Hypo > unawareness, I am quite happy to stay there!!!! > — > Joanne > Visit My Home Page > http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Strasse/6736/ > All About Insulin Pumps > http://www.insulin-pumpers.org
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Just curious if any 4% club members are out there? I am truly not trying to brag or boast, but I have been one since Dec. of 1999, checking every three months, and I’m just wondering if anyone else out there keeps those numbers? Jennifer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > The 5% Club is an honorary society for posters here who have managed to > wrestle their HbA1c reading into the range of 5.0-5.9%. For most labs, this is > in the middle of the "normal" range, and it is therefore a group recognition > of that poster’s being in control of their diabetes. > It should also be noted that this is a more difficult goal for Type-1s to > achieve. I hope we can welcome you to the club soon. > Jim > Sorry to bother you again, but I keep reading about this 5% club of yours. > What is it? > Your friend, > Steve C. (showa-koi)
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My A1c for the last 18 months has been 5.0 or below. I do it with low/moderate carbing. But I have to mention that there is no real statistical difference between a 4.9 and a 5.9. Above 6% however, the incidence of diabetic complications begins to rise exponentially. This is from the DCCT, UKPDS, and other major studies. Jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Just curious if any 4% club members are out there?
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Have kept in the 4% range for last couple of tests. Am T2 diagnosed 2 years ago. Started at 6.5 and gradually worked down. Take minimal exercise due to problems with feet, which are slowly correcting after my right leg was subjected to a by-pass, saved my foot! Last two tests have been 4.7 and the latest 4.5. Control by will power first and a very supportive wife, the most important element. Then Avandia 4mg twice a day and Starlix 60 up to three a day. At 76 it’s sometimes hard to remember to take the Starlix. My control improved as I got on to this present regimen. Recommend any one to discuss it with their Endo’s. Apart from the control there is, for me, no side effect. Low Hba is a positive step I feel really good. Better than in some years. Good luck to all who achieve their goals whatever they are and remember that being happy, seeking happiness id what counts.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Just curious if any 4% club members are out there? > I am truly not trying to brag or boast, but I have been one since Dec. of 1999, > checking every three months, and I’m just wondering if anyone else out there > keeps those numbers? > Jennifer > The 5% Club is an honorary society for posters here who have managed to > wrestle their HbA1c reading into the range of 5.0-5.9%. For most labs, this is > in the middle of the "normal" range, and it is therefore a group recognition > of that poster’s being in control of their diabetes. > It should also be noted that this is a more difficult goal for Type-1s to > achieve. I hope we can welcome you to the club soon. > Jim > > Sorry to bother you again, but I keep reading about this 5% club of yours. > > What is it? > > Your friend, > > Steve C. (showa-koi)
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I’m a Type 2 who’s also on insulin now, and have never been lower than 59, but trust me, I jumped for joy at my 6.5! I can’t remember coming in at lower than 8.4 for many, many, many, many years, even before I was maxed out on meds. Much as I’d like to be in the 5% club, I’m still twisting my arm to pat myself on the back for being in the 6% club! CarolC – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> It should also be noted that this is a more difficult goal for Type-1s to > achieve. >Thanks a lot 1 ;~( This particular Type 1 would like to make into the 6% >club. How about a 6% club for those of us with mediocre expectations?
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Like I said before 6% is a great goal for some of us. Great going!!!!!! — Keep Safe Anne in Seattle
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m a Type 2 who’s also on insulin now, and have never been lower than > 59, but trust me, I jumped for joy at my 6.5! I can’t remember > coming in at lower than 8.4 for many, many, many, many years, even > before I was maxed out on meds. > Much as I’d like to be in the 5% club, I’m still twisting my arm to > pat myself on the back for being in the 6% club! > CarolC >> It should also be noted that this is a more difficult goal for Type-1s to >> achieve. >Thanks a lot 1 ;~( This particular Type 1 would like to make into the 6% >club. How about a 6% club for those of us with mediocre expectations?
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> well said, Joanne… but i always believe that we have celebrated 6% in t1 > diabetics > — > k t1 14 yr
Hi Kate, yes, I have seen the 6% supported here as a very realistic, safe projection for Type I. I guess when I read someone calling it ‘mediocre’, I felt it necessary to say something. I wish you the best in getting back into the 6% Club! — Joanne Visit My Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Strasse/6736/ All About Insulin Pumps http://www.insulin-pumpers.org
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too bad there aren’t more of us T1’s… that would give BOTH perspectives in more balance……. — k t1 14 yr – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> well said, Joanne… but i always believe that we have celebrated 6% in t1 > diabetics > — > k t1 14 yr >Hi Kate, yes, I have seen the 6% supported here as a very realistic, safe >projection for Type I. I guess when I read someone calling it ‘mediocre’, I >felt it necessary to say something. >I wish you the best in getting back into the 6% Club! >– >Joanne >Visit My Home Page >http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Strasse/6736/ >All About Insulin Pumps >http://www.insulin-pumpers.org
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> I did the super tight control thing while I was pregnant and everything went > well (If you don’t count I spent the entire 7 months in the hospital) but > afterward all that happened is I gained weight.
Was your weight gain caused by treating hypos? The last 3 years have been > particularly hard with prednizone and cortisone treatments
Does taking these cause you to have more insulin resistance? I’ve gained 75 > pounds.
Gaining weight is so easy with insulin and so difficult to get off because of the balance of food and insulin. I had gained gradually over several years after changing form R + NPH to H +NPH. The H seemed to do it for me with weight gain. Thing is, now I have a pump and only use Humalog and in the 1 and 1/2 years since going on the pump have been able to lose 30lbs. My insulin dosage has gone from 42 units down to 24 units total for a day. Having the pump has really helped me to have less hypos to treat and to be able to consume less food which has helped the lbs to go. Tight control <90 fasting <120 after meals just causes more weight > gain.
I am not so sure I understand that corelationship. Perhaps you need to see a Diabetes Educator and get some more direction on food and insulin matching. In fact, I need some more help with my carbs to insulin ratio. With weight loss, my insulin needs are also dropping. I’d settle for <180 after meals. Me too! I do go too low and my doctor wants me to be at 180 post meal. Many times I end up with low 100’s post meal. Too low. What kind of numbers are you > talking about?
Well, my doctor showed me a chart and said that even a 7 would be good for me because of my hypo unawareness. (I know many here would start yelling "THAT IS TOO HIGH!!!") But, balanced against waking up in the back of the rescue truck many times as I have, I would take the higher numbers. To be more general and away from my particular problems and to numbers representing an HBA1C of 7, I believe from what I remember my doctor pointing out to me, is like having an average of 125 all the time. So my 6.5 is very good! On the other hand, the HBA1C does not tell the discrepancies one can face in getting to it. The other day, beautiful weather, I took several walks and had readings of 40 or less three times. So, if my HBA1C looks great, my experiences may not have been so. What I try to do is to make sure that each day I aim for numbers that range from 80 to 125 with a post meal 180. I don’t always get it though. I go too low. I do test near to 8 times in a day(required with the pump) and so catch many a hypo before it can cause me a big problem. Sorry to be so long winded! I do hope my experiences are helpful to you in some way. — Joanne Visit My Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Strasse/6736/ All About Insulin Pumps http://www.insulin-pumpers.org
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>The last 3 years have been > particularly hard with prednizone and cortisone treatments >Does taking these cause you to have more insulin resistance?
steroids in general which these two are, will raise BGs. If I understand the effect correctly, they will even raise BGs in some non-diabetics. Derek Type 1 since 1975 Minimed 508 Insulin Pump http://www.diabeticnet.com http://sweetblood.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://www.diabetesinterview.com http://www.zerolimit.net (irc server webpage for our chat room) #diabeticnet is the name of our IRC chat on zerolimit.net http://www.zerolimit.net/files/zl-mirc.zip http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/misc/webtv.html http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2001/06/cureall.htm
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This post not CC’d by email >Just curious if any 4% club members are out there? >I am truly not trying to brag or boast, but I have been one since Dec. of 1999, >checking every three months, and I’m just wondering if anyone else out there >keeps those numbers? >Jennifer
Almost. My HbA1c came in today at 5.0, previously 5.4 and 5.1 Curiously they did a non-fasting bg test 4.6 and it was way lower than the fasting tests performed earlier 6.8 and 6.2 This didn’t surprise me a bit because I have noticed that if I don’t eat in the mornings my bg drift higher. — Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / / "… and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin
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>The last 3 years have been >> particularly hard with prednizone and cortisone treatments >Does taking these cause you to have more insulin resistance? > steroids in general which these two are, will raise BGs. If I > understand the effect correctly, they will even raise BGs in some > non-diabetics.
They certainly do, my 5 year old was hitting 9.0’s recently when she had a bad asthma attack.
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Tony had a lot of problems with them as well. If I remember correctly he took them for months. — — Ronnie Ruff www.erols.com/driver8 "There is value in everybody’s gift. No matter how hard it is to find or how strange it is." (Tori Amos)
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| > | > >The last 3 years have been | > >> particularly hard with prednizone and cortisone treatments | > > | > >Does taking these cause you to have more insulin resistance? | > > | > | > steroids in general which these two are, will raise BGs. If I | > understand the effect correctly, they will even raise BGs in some | > non-diabetics. | | They certainly do, my 5 year old was hitting 9.0’s recently when she | had a bad asthma attack. | |
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> Just curious if any 4% club members are out there? > I am truly not trying to brag or boast, but I have been one since Dec. of 1999, > checking every three months, and I’m just wondering if anyone else out there > keeps those numbers?
Not any more, and I would not want to try for it! I was there once and the hypos were just awful. — Type 2 http://www.redshift.com/~juliebove/
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> Just curious if any 4% club members are out there?
I just got my blood results in the mail yesterday, and my HbA1c was 4.6 (triglycerides were 60). I was ecstatic with the results considering my numbers were 240 fasting and 400+ postprandial when I discovered I was diabetic just 5 months ago. However, now that I’ve tortured myself for the past several months, I’m going to shoot for a more healthy (for me) reading in the 5’s. I’ve had too many hypos and have lost too much weight (I was thin to begin with). I’ve got to say that I actually felt healthier (other than the thirst/urination thing) and had a lot more energy at the time of diagnosis than since I started taking meds and going low carb even though all my numbers are great. Craig
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>>The last 3 years have been >> particularly hard with prednizone and cortisone treatments >Does taking these cause you to have more insulin resistance? > steroids in general which these two are, will raise BGs. If I > understand the effect correctly, they will even raise BGs in some > non-diabetics.
Well, steroids in that particular family will; that family is called "glucocorticoids" for a rather good reason. Other steroids (androgens, estrogens, mineralocorticoids, Vitamin D, plant sterols, cholesterol, etc.) don’t necessarily have that effect.
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