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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> That’s not variant spelling, it’s bad orthoepy. >> Lp > I see. So unorthodox orthoepy is outweighed by the customary > vernacular. You have once again been very helpful. Thank you. >You know, this is a very silly discussion. I said that there was no fixed, >definitively acceptable spelling of this bit of jargon, and that therefore >no one was wrong about it in their usage. You somehow managed to imagine an >argument about that. I don’t know why. As far as your last statement is >concerned, orthodox orthoepy is the same thing as customary vernacular. Your >comment is impenetrable. Thank you. > Larry
Of course it is silly, and I was teasing and enjoying the repartee. Actually, I used the term unorthodox orthoepy, but that is moot. Just enjoying you Larry, that’s all.
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>Why do you refer the lady’s husband as a mucky muck? What is the basis >for your opinion? Just curious. >Lisa
I was being facetious. He’s a good guy.
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>> I have a patient who’s husband is the regional FDA mucky muck, and he > tells me they are so overwhelmed, they can’t possibly keep up with all > the bad health products (including drugs and alternatives), cosmetics, > and contaminated food. As he says and I paraphrase, "It’s a jungle > out there. Let the buyer beware." > Snip > Bob, > Why do you refer the lady’s husband as a mucky muck? What is the basis > for your opinion? Just curious. > Lisa
Mucky muck is slang for big wig, which is slang for upper-level employee, usually with many others attending him. Lp
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>Mucky muck is slang for big wig, which is slang for upper-level employee, >usually with many others attending him. > Lp
In all this excitement, I noticed that the term is properly spelled muckamuck, also mucketymuck, and according to my handy American Heritage Dictionary, this was from the original HIGH MUCKAMUCK.
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>> Mucky muck is slang for big wig, which is slang for upper-level employee, > usually with many others attending him. > Lp > In all this excitement, I noticed that the term is properly spelled > muckamuck, also mucketymuck, and according to my handy American > Heritage Dictionary, this was from the original HIGH MUCKAMUCK.
Since there is no root known from which this slang word derives, it is spelled any way you wish to spell it. Larry
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>>> Mucky muck is slang for big wig, which is slang for upper-level employee, >> usually with many others attending him. >> Lp > In all this excitement, I noticed that the term is properly spelled > muckamuck, also mucketymuck, and according to my handy American > Heritage Dictionary, this was from the original HIGH MUCKAMUCK. >Since there is no root known from which this slang word derives, it is >spelled any way you wish to spell it. > Larry
Very well. How would Muck Mucky work then? "That boss of mine is a real miserly Muck Mucky!"
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>> Mucky muck is slang for big wig, which is slang for upper-level employee, >>> usually with many others attending him. >>> Lp >> In all this excitement, I noticed that the term is properly spelled >> muckamuck, also mucketymuck, and according to my handy American >> Heritage Dictionary, this was from the original HIGH MUCKAMUCK. > Since there is no root known from which this slang word derives, it is > spelled any way you wish to spell it. > Larry > Very well. How would Muck Mucky work then? "That boss of mine is a > real miserly Muck Mucky!"
That’s not variant spelling, it’s bad orthoepy. Lp
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Mucky muck surprisingly is on my spell check. UM MOM Susan
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>> Mucky muck is slang for big wig, which is slang for upper-level employee, >>> usually with many others attending him. >>> Lp >> In all this excitement, I noticed that the term is properly spelled >> muckamuck, also mucketymuck, and according to my handy American >> Heritage Dictionary, this was from the original HIGH MUCKAMUCK. >Since there is no root known from which this slang word derives, it is >spelled any way you wish to spell it. > Larry > Very well. How would Muck Mucky work then? "That boss of mine is a > real miserly Muck Mucky!"
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>That’s not variant spelling, it’s bad orthoepy. > Lp
I see. So unorthodox orthoepy is outweighed by the customary vernacular. You have once again been very helpful. Thank you.
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>> That’s not variant spelling, it’s bad orthoepy. > Lp > I see. So unorthodox orthoepy is outweighed by the customary > vernacular. You have once again been very helpful. Thank you.
You know, this is a very silly discussion. I said that there was no fixed, definitively acceptable spelling of this bit of jargon, and that therefore no one was wrong about it in their usage. You somehow managed to imagine an argument about that. I don’t know why. As far as your last statement is concerned, orthodox orthoepy is the same thing as customary vernacular. Your comment is impenetrable. Thank you. Larry
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Mucky muck surprisingly is on my spell check. UM MOM Susan >>>> Mucky muck is slang for big wig, which is slang for upper-level > employee, >>>> usually with many others attending him. >>>> Lp >>> In all this excitement, I noticed that the term is properly spelled >>> muckamuck, also mucketymuck, and according to my handy American >>> Heritage Dictionary, this was from the original HIGH MUCKAMUCK. >> Since there is no root known from which this slang word derives, it is >> spelled any way you wish to spell it. >> Larry > Very well. How would Muck Mucky work then? "That boss of mine is a > real miserly Muck Mucky!"
I assume you have a comment of your own hidden somewhere in this posting, but I cannot find it. Please try again, as it may be of great interest to all. Larry
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>> Hello, > I work for a company called Reliv. They make a nutritional supplement that has > helped people with crohns, colitis, lupus, fibromyalgia, migraines, asthma, and > so much more. >Why are so many "alternative" remedies proffered as cure-alls?
This person said that it "helped" people, not "cured" them. The alternative movement, although admittedly fraught with confusion, is growing because medicine alone, by itself, is not doing the job. If it was, there would be no interest in these other options.
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>Why are so many "alternative" remedies proffered as cure-alls?
Marketing. The more things you claim to cure the greater your market. — "What Sept. 11 did was remind us that there are times when we must fight for our country, that, indeed, there are things – our liberty, our democracy, our belief in human rights and human dignity – worth fighting for." Newsday.com editorial – 27 May 2002
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>This person said that it "helped" people, not "cured" them. The >alternative movement, although admittedly fraught with confusion, is >growing because medicine alone, by itself, is not doing the job. If >it was, there would be no interest in these other options.
Medicine is doing the job. Alternative medicine is nothing more than a return to the old days of snake oil. How many of these alternative medicine products would be on the market if the people selling them had to perform basic human safety testing? — "What Sept. 11 did was remind us that there are times when we must fight for our country, that, indeed, there are things – our liberty, our democracy, our belief in human rights and human dignity – worth fighting for." Newsday.com editorial – 27 May 2002
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>Medicine is doing the job. Alternative medicine is nothing more than >a return to the old days of snake oil.
Some of today’s medicine will be considered tomorrow’s snake oil, as no doubt some of today’s snake oil will be incorporated into tomorrow’s medicine. In the process of discovery, sometimes it’s a re-discovery. It’s more a matter of who re-discovers it and how much money and research are behind it. When medicine figures out how to actually prevent disease (not just early detection) rather than only treating it, then it will be doing the job. >How many of these alternative medicine products would be on the market >if the people selling them had to perform basic human safety testing?
Based on your argument, probably only the products that are manufactured by existing pharm companies who want in on that market. And that would be fine with me.
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>>Why are so many "alternative" remedies proffered as cure-alls? >Marketing. The more things you claim to cure the greater your market.
Much of the confusion in this matter has to do with the avenue of approach to the problem. Medicine seeks to treat a disease entitiy directly, or a symptom specifically, utilizing methods and agents designed for this. This is a mechanistic approach, to single out the offending dysfunction and kill it or alter it directly. A surgical strike, so to speak. Some alternatives tend to approach the problem from a global health approach, helping the whole person, not just "the symptom". That’s why "people with" problem A, B, C, etc. can be helped. When you see alternatives claiming to help, please do not read in "cure". They are two different things. Helping is not curing, and using one method of health care does not necessarily obviate the use of another as well.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Why are so many "alternative" remedies proffered as cure-alls? >Marketing. The more things you claim to cure the greater your market. > Much of the confusion in this matter has to do with the avenue of > approach to the problem. Medicine seeks to treat a disease entitiy > directly, or a symptom specifically, utilizing methods and agents > designed for this. This is a mechanistic approach, to single out the > offending dysfunction and kill it or alter it directly. A surgical > strike, so to speak. > Some alternatives tend to approach the problem from a global health > approach, helping the whole person, not just "the symptom". That’s > why "people with" problem A, B, C, etc. can be helped.
The problem with their ‘global approach’ is that they don’t know what the hell they’re talking about. That doesn’t stop them from making sweeping claims about putative benefits for money. > When you see alternatives claiming to help, please do not read in > "cure". They are two different things. Helping is not curing, and > using one method of health care does not necessarily obviate the use > of another as well.
One doesn’t have to ‘read in cure’, they are all too anxious to imply that anyway. They would make an outright claim of cure if the government agencies weren’t watching.
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>The problem with their ‘global approach’ is that they don’t know what the >hell they’re talking about. That doesn’t stop them from making sweeping >claims about putative benefits for money.
No, I guess it doesn’t. It’s a good thing we live in a free country isn’t it? You can choose to not buy any of it. As for the unsuspecting souls out there who will believe everything they hear, including the pharmaceutical hype, their lessons await them. >One doesn’t have to ‘read in cure’, they are all too anxious to imply that >anyway. They would make an outright claim of cure if the government >agencies weren’t watching.
I have a patient who’s husband is the regional FDA mucky muck, and he tells me they are so overwhelmed, they can’t possibly keep up with all the bad health products (including drugs and alternatives), cosmetics, and contaminated food. As he says and I paraphrase, "It’s a jungle out there. Let the buyer beware."
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>The problem with their ‘global approach’ is that they don’t know what the >hell they’re talking about. That doesn’t stop them from making sweeping >claims about putative benefits for money. > No, I guess it doesn’t. It’s a good thing we live in a free country > isn’t it? You can choose to not buy any of it.
That’s an interesting point of view for a ‘health professional.’ After viewing your web pages about immune system benefits from your supplements, I can understand your cavalier attitude about this. So doctor–this ‘free country’ is pretty handy for guys selling to the gullible. As for the > unsuspecting souls out there who will believe everything they hear, > including the pharmaceutical hype, their lessons await them.
To hell with them, right? There’s money to be made. >One doesn’t have to ‘read in cure’, they are all too anxious to imply that >anyway. They would make an outright claim of cure if the government >agencies weren’t watching. > I have a patient who’s husband is the regional FDA mucky muck, and he > tells me they are so overwhelmed, they can’t possibly keep up with all > the bad health products (including drugs and alternatives), cosmetics, > and contaminated food."
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> I have a patient who’s husband is the regional FDA mucky muck, and he > tells me they are so overwhelmed, they can’t possibly keep up with all > the bad health products (including drugs and alternatives), cosmetics, > and contaminated food. As he says and I paraphrase, "It’s a jungle > out there. Let the buyer beware."
Snip Bob, Why do you refer the lady’s husband as a mucky muck? What is the basis for your opinion? Just curious. Lisa
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>That’s an interesting point of view for a ‘health professional.’ After >viewing your web pages about immune system benefits from your supplements, I >can understand your cavalier attitude about this. So doctor–this ‘free >country’ is pretty handy for guys selling to the gullible.
FYI, I haven’t sold any product from that website. Have you looked at it lately? What has happened is that many people email me with questions, and really the greatest satisfaction that has resulted from it all for me is helping people with educational links and ideas and bantering with you folks. > I have a patient who’s husband is the regional FDA mucky muck, and he > tells me they are so overwhelmed, they can’t possibly keep up with all > the bad health products (including drugs and alternatives), cosmetics, > and contaminated food." >That must be a comfort.
LOL, no, what is a comfort is that he and I are becoming friends.
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>Hello, >I work for a company called Reliv. They make a nutritional supplement that has >helped people with crohns, colitis, lupus, fibromyalgia, migraines, asthma, and >so much more. Please contact me if you would like some information.
Did the products actually treat disease or merely empty their wallets? — "What Sept. 11 did was remind us that there are times when we must fight for our country, that, indeed, there are things – our liberty, our democracy, our belief in human rights and human dignity – worth fighting for." Newsday.com editorial – 27 May 2002
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> Hello, > I work for a company called Reliv. They make a nutritional supplement that has > helped people with crohns, colitis, lupus, fibromyalgia, migraines, asthma, and > so much more. Please contact me if you would like some information. > Thanks!
Isn’t that funny. I know a guy who sells this product as a diet plan for weight loss, and considers it useless as a treatment for any disorder. Of course, he’s honest.
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> Hello, > I work for a company called Reliv. They make a nutritional supplement that has > helped people with crohns, colitis, lupus, fibromyalgia, migraines, asthma, and > so much more.
Why are so many "alternative" remedies proffered as cure-alls? An alternative remedy would be far more credible if it were indicated for some specific list of conditions. At least the homeopaths do try to match their homeopathic drugs to specific patient conditions. They don’t claim that any given homeopathic remedy is some kind of cure-all for whatever ails you. (Whether those drugs work is another matter.) — Steven D. Litvintchouk
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Hello, I work for a company called Reliv. They make a nutritional supplement that has helped people with crohns, colitis, lupus, fibromyalgia, migraines, asthma, and so much more. Please contact me if you would like some information. Thanks!
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