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> 4. when Other Bad People see that you respond to aggression and attack by > actually dismantling the enemy’s ability to commit aggression, the Other Bad > People tend to not attack. > Now, find fault with that. > Mark (Student of human nature and history) Dunning > MSgt, USAF (Ret.) > An eye for an eye has never worked. Agression begats agression.
World War II in general, in so far as protecting OTHERS from oppression. Pearl Harbor specifically, for a violent attack on US citizens. Turn our back after being attacked? I don’t think so. Japan plan, concerning Pearl Harbor, was to PUNISH us for shutting down their supply of easy oil, and to cripple our ability to respond. Funny how that little bit of aggression was being steered by oil! IF someone comes after us (i.e. 9-11) then the only thing that they will recognize is vioilent retaliation! > Becoming a bigger bully than the bully no way to stop bullying.
But it protects you and I, to some extent, in the future. I would rather have some protection than none. Being thought of, in the international community, as a war monger WILL make others think that we are willing to go to war over any reason. Whether this is true or not, is irrelevant. All that matters is what others THINK. Remember the Warsaw Ghetto. > "That which violence wins for us today another act of violence may > wrest from us tomorrow." - Francisco Ferrer
It all depends on who starts the violence! Poke me in the eye, and I will break your arm. This WILL make you think twice before you poke me again. > "The apologist for oppression becomes himself the oppressor. To > palliate crime is to be guilty of its perpetration. To ask for a > postponement of the case, till a more convenient season, is to call > for a suspension of the moral law, and to assume that is right to do > wrong under present circumstances." - William Garrison > Find fault with that.
Your interpretation of this very statement is faulty from the beginning, irregardless of what the author thought when he penned this. This is the very thinking that tried to lead the US in a policy of non-aggression during BOTH World Wars. History has taught most of us that apologizing for oppression is a sign to others that we are weak and will be a pushover for anyone who wants to further their own regime of oppression. Which is how we wound up being involved in both of those campaigns.
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with those comments next you will be saying "oh no i am not a rascist" when anyone who spouts such evilities against fellow humans clearly is D-DAY 60 the fight was against the Nazis,those Nazis now in the UK are BNP and UKIP,please dont detray the bravery of those people and vote for either of these parties. several vets today both americans and Brits said the fight was against Nazi facism and not the people of Gemrany/Italy etc. a nazi clearly is there in the writer of Mr Moor as immigrants were dealt with by Nazis in gas ovens in 39-45,shame on you for being such a traitor in supporting the holocaust and genocide today.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> with those comments next you will be saying > "oh no i am not a rascist" > when anyone who spouts such evilities against fellow humans clearly is > D-DAY 60 the fight was against the Nazis,those Nazis now in the UK are BNP > and UKIP,please dont detray the bravery of those people and vote for either > of these parties. > several vets today both americans and Brits said the fight was against Nazi > facism and not the people of Gemrany/Italy etc. > a nazi clearly is there in the writer of Mr Moor > as immigrants were dealt with by Nazis in gas ovens in 39-45,shame on you > for being such a traitor in supporting the holocaust and genocide today.
Racist? To be honest a racist views some races as inferior to others. There is in my view no race of people any better or worse than any other. I am no more a Nazi than you are, a Nazi views people with different genes as inferior to those of himself, I do not, do you? The only people who accuse others of extremism are those who see themselves as extremists and are therefore paving the way for the time when they can put themselves in a position as to enact that extremism. As for the people who bang on about Jews and gas ovens, are these the ones who would happily endorse the same actions only one the condition that they are referred to a Zionists? In my honest opinion the whining left wingers are the true successors to the flame of the Third Reich, everyone else can see what is happening but their own zealous blind bigotry makes them blind, deaf and daft to the true direction that they are heading in. As I printed, it is also the supporters of the swamping of Britain that should be thrown out of an RAF Hercules over the North Sea at 35,000 feet, I would gladly volunteer to push the buggers out. As for the foreigners, well they are just the bullets, it is the people who do the firing we should watch out for.
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>Racist? To be honest a racist views some races as inferior to others. >There is in my view no race of people any better or worse than any >other.
Then clearly you have not watched the NBA. — Map Of The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy: http://www.freewebs.com/vrwc/ "When you see all that rhetorical smoke billowing up from the Democrats, well ladies and gentleman, I’d follow the example of their nominee; don’t inhale." –Ronald Reagan
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> 4. when Other Bad People see that you respond to aggression and attack by > actually dismantling the enemy’s ability to commit aggression, the Other Bad > People tend to not attack. > Now, find fault with that. > Mark (Student of human nature and history) Dunning > MSgt, USAF (Ret.) > An eye for an eye has never worked. Agression begats agression. > Becoming a bigger bully than the bully no way to stop bullying. > "That which violence wins for us today another act of violence may > wrest from us tomorrow." - Francisco Ferrer > "The apologist for oppression becomes himself the oppressor. To > palliate crime is to be guilty of its perpetration. To ask for a > postponement of the case, till a more convenient season, is to call > for a suspension of the moral law, and to assume that is right to do > wrong under present circumstances." - William Garrison > Find fault with that.
Except that never happened in any point in history…. The only successful nation building was the US building Germany and Japan. Using that dirty rotten violence you detest. Your means to peace is recorded in the League of Nations and UN disasters. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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||An eye for an eye has never worked. Agression begats agression. ||Becoming a bigger bully than the bully no way to stop bullying. || ||"That which violence wins for us today another act of violence may ||wrest from us tomorrow." - Francisco Ferrer || ||"The apologist for oppression becomes himself the oppressor. To ||palliate crime is to be guilty of its perpetration. To ask for a ||postponement of the case, till a more convenient season, is to call ||for a suspension of the moral law, and to assume that is right to do ||wrong under present circumstances." - William Garrison "Peace in our time" – Neville Chamberlain, 1939 Texas Parts Guy
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> 4. when Other Bad People see that you respond to aggression and attack by > actually dismantling the enemy’s ability to commit aggression, the Other Bad > People tend to not attack. > Now, find fault with that. > Mark (Student of human nature and history) Dunning > MSgt, USAF (Ret.)
An eye for an eye has never worked. Agression begats agression. Becoming a bigger bully than the bully no way to stop bullying. "That which violence wins for us today another act of violence may wrest from us tomorrow." - Francisco Ferrer "The apologist for oppression becomes himself the oppressor. To palliate crime is to be guilty of its perpetration. To ask for a postponement of the case, till a more convenient season, is to call for a suspension of the moral law, and to assume that is right to do wrong under present circumstances." - William Garrison Find fault with that.
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> >Who will bet against it coming back in Britain. During the first gulf war >over a decade ago the govt didn’t know exactly what the outcome could be so >conscription papers were secretly printed up. There has been talk of >introducing a semi voluntary conscription, I would assume that all they have >to do is press print and drive an overnight bill through Parliament. There >have been rumblings about the strength of the military of late by senior >members of HM Govt. > Presumably the BNP would begin by drafting all the immigrants, then if > they didn’t turn up, use that as proof they didn’t consider themselves > British, and deport them.
Many of the illegal immigrants, even more so the people who support them certainly need drafting. Maybe for a start they could be taken for a ride in an RAF Hercules and dropped off nowhere in particular at 35,000 ft without a parachute! Don’[t get me wrong, I'm not a member of the BNP or even a BNP voter, I am a p****d off taxpayer and I would support anyone who had the guts to do something positive for this country for a change.
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> >Draft dilemma >They are going to reintroduce the draft in the US. >But it's such a vote loser, no one wants to mention it > http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/draft.asp
Snopes lists this as "probably not true," then covers its butt by saying that even if passed, a draft by spring 2005 is "unlikely." It also admits that policy could change very quickly. The claims are in no way debunked. -- Gregory Gadow for Washington State House Independent, District 43 http://www.gregory-gadow.info
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Who will bet against it coming back in Britain. During the first gulf war over a decade ago the govt didn't know exactly what the outcome could be so conscription papers were secretly printed up. There has been talk of introducing a semi voluntary conscription, I would assume that all they have to do is press print and drive an overnight bill through Parliament. There have been rumblings about the strength of the military of late by senior members of HM Govt.
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In uk.politics.misc on Fri, 4 Jun 2004 at 22:20:13, MrMoor wrote : >Who will bet against it coming back in Britain. During the first gulf war >over a decade ago the govt didn't know exactly what the outcome could be so >conscription papers were secretly printed up. There has been talk of >introducing a semi voluntary conscription, I would assume that all they have >to do is press print and drive an overnight bill through Parliament. There >have been rumblings about the strength of the military of late by senior >members of HM Govt.
Presumably the BNP would begin by drafting all the immigrants, then if they didn't turn up, use that as proof they didn't consider themselves British, and deport them. -- Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
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> There has been talk of > introducing a semi voluntary conscription, I would assume that all > they have to do is press print and drive an overnight bill through > Parliament.
That would hardly be unobtrusive, though. For quite some time, late night sittings have been exceptional: http://www.parliament.uk/works/commonsgeneral.cfm#hours
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Go ahead, haul ass back to the "old country". See how much of your salary gets taken back by the government. Oh, and on the way, visit Dachau and Auschwitz. Maybe then you'll see what happens when Bad People run countries, and are not opposed by civilized people. Oh, but you'll need to use a sailboat to get to the old country, because you don't want to be associated with the use of oil, by using an airplane or an oil powered boat. Oh, and continue to practice the "diplomacy" that led to the Islamisits to ATTACK OUR COUNTRY. I'm sure that will make everything nice. Is that pretty much the thought process you're using at the University of Minnesota? Try this on for size: 1. when somebody attacks you, go after and kill them. 2. when you have neutralized the threat, go after a way to prevent further threats. 3. If you see a similar threat, try to neutralize that threat. 4. when Other Bad People see that you respond to aggression and attack by actually dismantling the enemy's ability to commit aggression, the Other Bad People tend to not attack. Now, find fault with that. Mark (Student of human nature and history) Dunning MSgt, USAF (Ret.)
- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -> In a perverse sense, I hope efforts to reinstate the draft succeeds. > I'm too old. But all of the middle-of-the-road supporters of > pre-emptive wars on manufactured pretexts are going to think very > carefully about who they vote for if their son (or daughter) is going to > go off and fight another oil war. > The problem is that, like during Vietnam, the upper-class chickenhawks > will recieve all the corrupted deferments they need while Joe Sixpacks' > son (maybe daughter this time) is sent to go fight for Halliburton and > Exxon and failed foreign policy (based on aggression instead of diplomacy). > If I was in my great-grandfather's shoes today, I'd think twice about > renouncing my Danish citizenship and coming to America to raise my > family. If the draft is reinstated, I'll be taking my kids back to the > old country and chalk it up as a good idea back in 1895, but not > necessarily the best deal for the working class in 2004. > Draft dilemma > They are going to reintroduce the draft in the US. > But it's such a vote loser, no one wants to mention it > "...On the same day that Ashcroft was terrifying his countrymen, > I was emailed by an American student friend. He too is > terrified. "The US legislature," he wrote, "is trying to bring > back the draft asap. Check it out at www.congress.org. > For some reason no major news networks or printed media > in this country are carrying this story. If these bills go through, > the only thing between me and military service is my asthma." > He's right. There is pending legislation in the American House > of Representatives and Senate in the form of twin bills - S89 and > HR163. These measures (currently approved and sitting in the > committee for armed services) project legislation for spring > 2005, with the draft to become operational as early as June 15. > There already exists a Selective Service System (SSS). All young > Americans are obliged to "register for the draft". It has been a mere > formality since conscription was abolished three decades ago, after > Vietnam, together with the loathed (and much burned) draft card. > SSS will be reactivated imminently. A $28m implementation fund > has been added to the SSS budget. The Pentagon is discreetly > recruiting for 10,350 draft board officers and 11,070 appeals > board members nationwide. > Draft-dodging will be harder than in the 1960s. In December 2001, > Canada and the US signed a "smart border declaration", which, > among other things, will prevent conscientious objectors (and cowards) > from finding sanctuary across the northern border. There will be no > deferment on higher-education grounds. Mexico does not appeal. > All this has been pushed ahead with an amazing lack of publicity. > One can guess why. American newspapers are in a state of meltdown, > distracted by war-reporting scandals at USA Today and the New > York Times. There is an awareness in the press at large that the > "embedding" system was just that - getting into bed with the military > and reporting their pillow talk as "news from the frontline". The fourth > estate has failed the American public and continues not to do its job." > John Sutherland > Monday May 31, 2004 > The Guardian > Full article at: > http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1228178,00.html
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> >> They are going to reintroduce the draft in the US. >Hopefully you'll be one of the first to get scooped up > Are you kidding, I wanna get scooped up. The first draftees are the > ones who get to fly the black helicopters when the NWO takes over! > [Or is that the DNRC? 8*]
More likely you will end up patrolling the streets in an APC on Iraq, Syria Iran or wherever the neo-cons want you to go next when a plug of molten metal from an RPG7 blows of your genitals and arsehole. If your lucky you get to shit through a colostomy bag while you pay prostitutes to let you perform cunilingus on THEM.
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>Draft dilemma >They are going to reintroduce the draft in the US. >But it’s such a vote loser, no one wants to mention it
http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/draft.asp
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> They are going to reintroduce the draft in the US.
Hopefully you’ll be one of the first to get scooped up, then you’ll be too busy doing pushups to spam energy newsgroups, idiot.
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>> They are going to reintroduce the draft in the US. >Hopefully you’ll be one of the first to get scooped up
Are you kidding, I wanna get scooped up. The first draftees are the ones who get to fly the black helicopters when the NWO takes over! [Or is that the DNRC? 8*] — William Smith ComputerSmiths Consulting, Inc. www.compusmiths.com
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> Draft dilemma > They are going to reintroduce the draft in the US.
Just ensure your doors and windows are adequately sealed. That will prevent any drafts. Col — So where are they, Mr Blair?
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In a perverse sense, I hope efforts to reinstate the draft succeeds. I’m too old. But all of the middle-of-the-road supporters of pre-emptive wars on manufactured pretexts are going to think very carefully about who they vote for if their son (or daughter) is going to go off and fight another oil war. The problem is that, like during Vietnam, the upper-class chickenhawks will recieve all the corrupted deferments they need while Joe Sixpacks’ son (maybe daughter this time) is sent to go fight for Halliburton and Exxon and failed foreign policy (based on aggression instead of diplomacy). If I was in my great-grandfather’s shoes today, I’d think twice about renouncing my Danish citizenship and coming to America to raise my family. If the draft is reinstated, I’ll be taking my kids back to the old country and chalk it up as a good idea back in 1895, but not necessarily the best deal for the working class in 2004. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Draft dilemma > They are going to reintroduce the draft in the US. > But it’s such a vote loser, no one wants to mention it > "…On the same day that Ashcroft was terrifying his countrymen, > I was emailed by an American student friend. He too is > terrified. "The US legislature," he wrote, "is trying to bring > back the draft asap. Check it out at www.congress.org. > For some reason no major news networks or printed media > in this country are carrying this story. If these bills go through, > the only thing between me and military service is my asthma." > He’s right. There is pending legislation in the American House > of Representatives and Senate in the form of twin bills – S89 and > HR163. These measures (currently approved and sitting in the > committee for armed services) project legislation for spring > 2005, with the draft to become operational as early as June 15. > There already exists a Selective Service System (SSS). All young > Americans are obliged to "register for the draft". It has been a mere > formality since conscription was abolished three decades ago, after > Vietnam, together with the loathed (and much burned) draft card. > SSS will be reactivated imminently. A $28m implementation fund > has been added to the SSS budget. The Pentagon is discreetly > recruiting for 10,350 draft board officers and 11,070 appeals > board members nationwide. > Draft-dodging will be harder than in the 1960s. In December 2001, > Canada and the US signed a "smart border declaration", which, > among other things, will prevent conscientious objectors (and cowards) > from finding sanctuary across the northern border. There will be no > deferment on higher-education grounds. Mexico does not appeal. > All this has been pushed ahead with an amazing lack of publicity. > One can guess why. American newspapers are in a state of meltdown, > distracted by war-reporting scandals at USA Today and the New > York Times. There is an awareness in the press at large that the > "embedding" system was just that – getting into bed with the military > and reporting their pillow talk as "news from the frontline". The fourth > estate has failed the American public and continues not to do its job." > John Sutherland > Monday May 31, 2004 > The Guardian > Full article at: > http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1228178,00.html
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Draft dilemma They are going to reintroduce the draft in the US. But it’s such a vote loser, no one wants to mention it "…On the same day that Ashcroft was terrifying his countrymen, I was emailed by an American student friend. He too is terrified. "The US legislature," he wrote, "is trying to bring back the draft asap. Check it out at www.congress.org. For some reason no major news networks or printed media in this country are carrying this story. If these bills go through, the only thing between me and military service is my asthma." He’s right. There is pending legislation in the American House of Representatives and Senate in the form of twin bills – S89 and HR163. These measures (currently approved and sitting in the committee for armed services) project legislation for spring 2005, with the draft to become operational as early as June 15. There already exists a Selective Service System (SSS). All young Americans are obliged to "register for the draft". It has been a mere formality since conscription was abolished three decades ago, after Vietnam, together with the loathed (and much burned) draft card. SSS will be reactivated imminently. A $28m implementation fund has been added to the SSS budget. The Pentagon is discreetly recruiting for 10,350 draft board officers and 11,070 appeals board members nationwide. Draft-dodging will be harder than in the 1960s. In December 2001, Canada and the US signed a "smart border declaration", which, among other things, will prevent conscientious objectors (and cowards) from finding sanctuary across the northern border. There will be no deferment on higher-education grounds. Mexico does not appeal. All this has been pushed ahead with an amazing lack of publicity. One can guess why. American newspapers are in a state of meltdown, distracted by war-reporting scandals at USA Today and the New York Times. There is an awareness in the press at large that the "embedding" system was just that – getting into bed with the military and reporting their pillow talk as "news from the frontline". The fourth estate has failed the American public and continues not to do its job." John Sutherland Monday May 31, 2004 The Guardian Full article at: http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1228178,00.html
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