Advair and Thrush
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says… >Sure good for a lot of things) Peroxide usually comes >(medicinally) as 10 volume, i.e. ten percent. >As far as I’ve seen hydrogen peroxide comes in 3% .. and what is ‘recommended’ >for a mouthwash ..
Right you are. And H2O2USP (10 volume) *is* a 3% dilution in water > in the case of periodontal disease is the food grade >hydrogen peroxide .. which comes in 35% and you dilute it down to 7% to use as >a mouthwash. >That is one part food grade to five parts water.
You might be on the right track, but your math sucks. 1 part food grade to *4* parts water will be 7% H2O2. >Usually can find the foodgrade at the health food store or your garden supply >centre and some pharmacies are carrying it now. >Watch out though the stuff is like acid and will act the same.
He’s right on this one, folks. Food grade H2O2 liberates a lot of pure oxygen and holds it on the skin surface, and it will burn skin pretty quickly.
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>>Watch out though the stuff is like acid and will act the same. >He’s right on this one, folks. Food grade H2O2 liberates a lot of pure oxygen >and holds it on the skin surface, and it will burn skin pretty quickly.
If I am not mistaken, H202 oxidizes (burns) the skin by breaking down to H20 and singlet 0, which then burns the skin. Pure oxygen, or O2 gas, is liberated when H202 comes into contact with catalase, a protective cellular enzyme. This is what you see bubbling when hydrogen peroxide contacts an open wound…O2 gas, which does not burn.
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>Sure good for a lot of things) Peroxide usually comes >(medicinally) as 10 volume, i.e. ten percent.
As far as I’ve seen hydrogen peroxide comes in 3% .. and what is ‘recommended’ for a mouthwash .. in the case of periodontal disease is the food grade hydrogen peroxide .. which comes in 35% and you dilute it down to 7% to use as a mouthwash. That is one part food grade to five parts water. Usually can find the foodgrade at the health food store or your garden supply centre and some pharmacies are carrying it now. Watch out though the stuff is like acid and will act the same. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus was a vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Jesus was a vegetarian! http://www.nucleus.com/watchman Moses was a mystic! http://www.nucleus.com/watchman/light.html
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> yes i am on the 250 and am considering trying the 100. however i expect > that i will still need to take 500 (mgs?) of it to get these results. > since my asthma is better in the winter (allergy related) then i may give > the 100 a try before spring just to see. but i will see how i make out on > the 250 first… if the thrush gets to be unbearable then a step down might > be called for. however, i am feeling much better today… the thrush is > gone/almost gone so i have stopped taking that disgusting nystatin and will > rely on proper rinsing and acidophilus and see what happens.
You realize the 250/50 has 50 mcg of Serevent in it. If you go to multiple doses of the 100/50 you end up with too much of that. Something to consider. Sometimes you have to go for the individual components to get the mix right. Fritz
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"Listerine wouldn’ hurt…" Straght from the bottle, undiluted, it sure as hell would hurt already irritated mucous membrane. I used very mild salt water the one and only time I ever contracted thrush. In my opinion same thing for hyrogen peroxide (which might be good for thrush. Sure good for a lot of things) Peroxide usually comes (medicinally) as 10 volume, i.e. ten percent. I would dilute it down to two or three percent beore using it in my mouth or on a small open wound or possibly a fungus infested area. But this is just Nurse Quackette home remedies.
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"Fritz Merkel" wrote > Here’s a link for proper use: > http://advair.ibreathe.com/consumer/2_2_taking_advair.htm
heheh… they really should include a step that instructs everyone to RINSE THEIR MOUTH! LOL!. > I use inhaled Qvar and use listerine mouthwash > right after.
great! thanks for the feedback. i used to take qvar 100 (before i switched to advair 250) and just rinsed my mouth with water a bit.. no problems. ah well… > ANY form of sugar will make thrush > absolutely happy and vigorous.
yes and have you ever noticed that if you have a yeast overgrowth, that you crave sweets? interesting stuff… but not very nice to have. > Those pills are supposed to be _active_ bacteria. If they are not in a > cooler when you buy them and kept in your fridge they probably aren’t > alive and worth much.
yes exactly. i tell anyone who ever asks me about acidophilus to make sure that it is refrigerated in the store and at home. > If you are on the 250/50 Advair dose that is more potent. It also > comes as 100/50. I have no way of knowing what dose YOU need but this > may be something to discuss with your physician. If symptoms are > controlled you may _consider_ a careful step down.
yes i am on the 250 and am considering trying the 100. however i expect that i will still need to take 500 (mgs?) of it to get these results. since my asthma is better in the winter (allergy related) then i may give the 100 a try before spring just to see. but i will see how i make out on the 250 first… if the thrush gets to be unbearable then a step down might be called for. however, i am feeling much better today… the thrush is gone/almost gone so i have stopped taking that disgusting nystatin and will rely on proper rinsing and acidophilus and see what happens. > You’re very welcome. Happy oral health
same to you fritz! :) Carolyn in Ont Canada
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hi steve! thankyou very much for your message. glad to hear that advair is working well for you too! i have always had a drink of water ready to go as soon as ive done my inhalation but i will definately heed your warning about rinsing immediately. i will try your suggestion of rinsing even before ive exhaled! advair 250 does seem to be quite copious… i wonder how much has gotten into my lungs since there seems to be so much of it in my mouth. but since it has been so effective i know that something is getting in there 
now that i think about it, i used to get some sore throat and hoarseness after inhaling QVAR in the past. i had thought that it was from taking too high a dose but it does seem logical that it was caused by the steroid remaining in my throat. ahha! luckily i never did get thrush from it. anyway, im fairly confident now that with improved inhalation technique, thorough rinsing and acidophilus that i will be thrush free and able to continue taking advair. everyones responses have helped me greatly. thankyou! Carolyn in Ont Canada – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I take Advair and also find it helps tremendously. What you need to > do is very simple – after inhaling the Advair, even while you’re still > holding your breath, take a mouthful of water and swish it around, > even gargle it a bit, to clear the Advair out of your throat. I find > the timing is critical – the sooner after you’ve inhaled the Advair, > the better. I don’t get thrush but I do lose my voice if I skip this > step and waiting even a minute after inhaling seems to be enough time > for the Advair to get into places you don’t want it. > It’s a very simple solution that solves the problem for most folks.
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> while ive not used a discus style inhaler before i am familiar with a > turbohaler which seems to require the same type of inhalation.
Different steroid, same technique. Here’s a link for proper use: http://advair.ibreathe.com/consumer/2_2_taking_advair.htm > this evening i took your advice and rinsed with listerine instead of plain > water. wow! that stuff is strong, but i do think that it rinsed my mouth > and throat out better than water has in the past and it couldnt hurt so i > will continue to use it or some other mouthwash.
If you have an active yeast condition it may feel stronger. It’s pretty strong anyway. I use inhaled Qvar and use listerine mouthwash right after. I often brush my teeth with the stuff. Brushing your tongue won’t hurt either (but it gags me a bit). > i really dont think that i want to gargle with vinegar… yuck!!
Neither would I. That’s a last resort before medicine. > thanks also for your input concerning yogurt. i am taking acidophilus > directly (yeasts competitive bacteria which is in yogurt to a certain > degree). i felt that i could control the ingestion of the acidophilus > easier via pill/powder than i could with yogurt. i had not thought though > that the yogurt was creating an acid environment! good point!!
Non-sweetened yogurt is pretty acid. Some women have used it via vagina to clear up vaginal yeast infections.It works, my wife has done it. Again, NO SWEETENER/HONEY OR ANYTHING like it. Non-fat, unsweetened yogurt is preferable. ANY form of sugar will make thrush absolutely happy and vigorous. > i had another thought today which involved breaking open an acidophilus > capsule and applying it directly to patches of thrush… that might help as > well.
Something else you might try is Kefir, another cultured milk product that is more liquid. For the "pills", opening them in a bit of water and doing a thorough swish and swallow would probably work better. Those pills are supposed to be _active_ bacteria. If they are not in a cooler when you buy them and kept in your fridge they probably aren’t alive and worth much. > also i have now started to brush my teeth/mouth after gargling with the > mouthwash… and have added regular replacement of my toothbrush head to > my ‘to do’ list (dont want to re-infect myself!). > i really appreciate the suggestions that i have received here! thanks!
If you are on the 250/50 Advair dose that is more potent. It also comes as 100/50. I have no way of knowing what dose YOU need but this may be something to discuss with your physician. If symptoms are controlled you may _consider_ a careful step down. You’re very welcome. Happy oral health — Fritz Merkel Respiratory Care Practitioner Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America-WA Branch www.aafawa.org
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hi fritz – thankyou for your response. while ive not used a discus style inhaler before i am familiar with a turbohaler which seems to require the same type of inhalation. but even though i did read the inhalers instructions first and think that i am inhaling sharply, i still might not have the exact hang of it… using pressurized inhalers for years has probably conditioned me to inhale the medication a certain way. thankyou for the inhalation tips… i will definately keep them in mind tomorrow morning. this evening i took your advice and rinsed with listerine instead of plain water. wow! that stuff is strong, but i do think that it rinsed my mouth and throat out better than water has in the past and it couldnt hurt so i will continue to use it or some other mouthwash. i really dont think that i want to gargle with vinegar… yuck!! thanks also for your input concerning yogurt. i am taking acidophilus directly (yeasts competitive bacteria which is in yogurt to a certain degree). i felt that i could control the ingestion of the acidophilus easier via pill/powder than i could with yogurt. i had not thought though that the yogurt was creating an acid environment! good point!! i had another thought today which involved breaking open an acidophilus capsule and applying it directly to patches of thrush… that might help as well. also i have now started to brush my teeth/mouth after gargling with the mouthwash… and have added regular replacement of my toothbrush head to my ‘to do’ list (dont want to re-infect myself!). i really appreciate the suggestions that i have received here! thanks! Carolyn in Ont Canada – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Make sure you are taking the Advair correctly. The "Discus" needs a > FAST inhalation, not a slow one like the MDI. Try making your mouth > and throat very open and the tongue out of the way while inhaling. > Rinse with Listerine (probably any mouthwash) thoroughly afterwards. > Candida albicans (Thrush) is a normal resident in the mouth. Left over > steroid is causing it to overgrow. Rinsing it out _should_ be > sufficient. If that doesn’t work something acidic (diluted vinegar?) > may work. Yeasts hate acid. The yogurt is providing competitive > bacteria and an acid environment. Make sure NOT TO TAKE SWEETENED > YOGURT. Thrush loves sugar.
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hi jon! thankyou for your suggestion! i have just finished my inhalation and did brush my teeth/mouth thoroughly after using listerine. i will now brush my teeth after every single inhalation…. it certainly cant hurt in fact now that i look at all of the suggestions that i have received here and elsewhere, it is obvious that i have never, ever, rinsed my mouth very well after inhaling a steriod. i have been lucky to not have had thrush before. Carolyn in Ont Canada Jon wrote : – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Brushing your teeth directly after taking your advair might help you > out some. Doing it that way also helps some people remember to take > it twice a day every day. > J. Thompson, RRT
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Make sure you are taking the Advair correctly. The "Discus" needs a FAST inhalation, not a slow one like the MDI. Try making your mouth and throat very open and the tongue out of the way while inhaling. Rinse with Listerine (probably any mouthwash) thoroughly afterwards. Candida albicans (Thrush) is a normal resident in the mouth. Left over steroid is causing it to overgrow. Rinsing it out _should_ be sufficient. If that doesn’t work something acidic (diluted vinegar?) may work. Yeasts hate acid. The yogurt is providing competitive bacteria and an acid environment. Make sure NOT TO TAKE SWEETENED YOGURT. Thrush loves sugar. — Fritz Merkel Respiratory Care Practitioner Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America-WA Branch www.aafawa.org – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> the downside is that when i take my advair inhalation, there seems to be > some of it in my mouth… i can taste it and feel it…. and i have > developed oral thrush 
i have never developed thrush before from any > other inhaled steroid. after taking advair, i have been rinsing my mouth > just as i did when i took qvar. obviously, that is not good enough. can > those that take advair, please tell me what measures you go to, to prevent > thrush?! sure there is the rinsing, but do you just use plain water? do > you use salt water? do you rinse for a certain period of time or use a > certain amount of water? do you rinse with something besides water? > LOL… lots of questions!
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I take Advair and also find it helps tremendously. What you need to do is very simple – after inhaling the Advair, even while you’re still holding your breath, take a mouthful of water and swish it around, even gargle it a bit, to clear the Advair out of your throat. I find the timing is critical – the sooner after you’ve inhaled the Advair, the better. I don’t get thrush but I do lose my voice if I skip this step and waiting even a minute after inhaling seems to be enough time for the Advair to get into places you don’t want it. It’s a very simple solution that solves the problem for most folks. -S- – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > i have been taking the normal dosage of advair 250 (disk) for the last 3.5 > weeks and am having great success with it. frankly im sure that it is the > best asthma medication that ive ever taken. what proves it to me is that > i have not used a rescue inhaler — not once — since i started taking > advair. with the last steroid i took, qvar 100, i needed alot and still > used ventolin (salbutamol) 3 times a day. anyway, advair is a blessing > for me… so far. > the downside is that when i take my advair inhalation, there seems to be > some of it in my mouth… i can taste it and feel it…. and i have > developed oral thrush i have never developed thrush before from any > other inhaled steroid. after taking advair, i have been rinsing my mouth > just as i did when i took qvar. obviously, that is not good enough. can > those that take advair, please tell me what measures you go to, to prevent > thrush?! sure there is the rinsing, but do you just use plain water? do > you use salt water? do you rinse for a certain period of time or use a > certain amount of water? do you rinse with something besides water? > LOL… lots of questions! > as for the thrush, im experienced in treating it as i had to treat my son > when he was an infant. i have started taking acidophilus and liquid > nystatin (yuck!). i hope to get rid of my infection with the nystatin and > then prevent re-infection with the acidophilus. i know that gentian violet > is effective (i used that with my son) but i cant afford to be stained > purple i figure that i will have to take acidophilus as long as i take > advair (have to find the right dose)… but if that is all i have to do to > reap the benefits of the medication than i have no problem with that. does > my approach to thrush sound realistic to get rid of it and to prevent re- > infection? i have checked the other members of my family and they do not > seem to have thrush, thank goodness. > thankyou in advance for any input! > Carolyn
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Brushing your teeth directly after taking your advair might help you out some. Doing it that way also helps some people remember to take it twice a day every day. J. Thompson, RRT – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >i have been taking the normal dosage of advair 250 (disk) for the last 3.5 >weeks and am having great success with it. frankly im sure that it is the >best asthma medication that ive ever taken. what proves it to me is that >i have not used a rescue inhaler — not once — since i started taking >advair. with the last steroid i took, qvar 100, i needed alot and still >used ventolin (salbutamol) 3 times a day. anyway, advair is a blessing >for me… so far. >the downside is that when i take my advair inhalation, there seems to be >some of it in my mouth… i can taste it and feel it…. and i have >developed oral thrush i have never developed thrush before from any >other inhaled steroid. after taking advair, i have been rinsing my mouth >just as i did when i took qvar. obviously, that is not good enough. can >those that take advair, please tell me what measures you go to, to prevent >thrush?! sure there is the rinsing, but do you just use plain water? do >you use salt water? do you rinse for a certain period of time or use a >certain amount of water? do you rinse with something besides water? >LOL… lots of questions! >as for the thrush, im experienced in treating it as i had to treat my son >when he was an infant. i have started taking acidophilus and liquid >nystatin (yuck!). i hope to get rid of my infection with the nystatin and >then prevent re-infection with the acidophilus. i know that gentian violet >is effective (i used that with my son) but i cant afford to be stained >purple i figure that i will have to take acidophilus as long as i take >advair (have to find the right dose)… but if that is all i have to do to >reap the benefits of the medication than i have no problem with that. does >my approach to thrush sound realistic to get rid of it and to prevent re- >infection? i have checked the other members of my family and they do not >seem to have thrush, thank goodness. >thankyou in advance for any input! >Carolyn
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Be very very careful about taking advair. There is a blurb in their commericals that it "can cause a change in the heart rhythm". My father took advair, and liked it too. He died because of "a change in the heart rhythm". Could it just be a coincidence??? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -><<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>><><><><><><><><><><><><><><<><><><><< > i have been taking the normal dosage of advair 250 (disk) for the last 3.5 > weeks and am having great success with it. frankly im sure that it is the > best asthma medication that ive ever taken. what proves it to me is that > i have not used a rescue inhaler — not once — since i started taking > advair. with the last steroid i took, qvar 100, i needed alot and still > used ventolin (salbutamol) 3 times a day. anyway, advair is a blessing > for me… so far. > the downside is that when i take my advair inhalation, there seems to be > some of it in my mouth… i can taste it and feel it…. and i have > developed oral thrush i have never developed thrush before from any > other inhaled steroid. after taking advair, i have been rinsing my mouth > just as i did when i took qvar. obviously, that is not good enough. can > those that take advair, please tell me what measures you go to, to prevent > thrush?! sure there is the rinsing, but do you just use plain water? do > you use salt water? do you rinse for a certain period of time or use a > certain amount of water? do you rinse with something besides water? > LOL… lots of questions! > as for the thrush, im experienced in treating it as i had to treat my son > when he was an infant. i have started taking acidophilus and liquid > nystatin (yuck!). i hope to get rid of my infection with the nystatin and > then prevent re-infection with the acidophilus. i know that gentian violet > is effective (i used that with my son) but i cant afford to be stained > purple i figure that i will have to take acidophilus as long as i take > advair (have to find the right dose)… but if that is all i have to do to > reap the benefits of the medication than i have no problem with that. does > my approach to thrush sound realistic to get rid of it and to prevent re- > infection? i have checked the other members of my family and they do not > seem to have thrush, thank goodness. > thankyou in advance for any input! > Carolyn
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i have been taking the normal dosage of advair 250 (disk) for the last 3.5 weeks and am having great success with it. frankly im sure that it is the best asthma medication that ive ever taken. what proves it to me is that i have not used a rescue inhaler — not once — since i started taking advair. with the last steroid i took, qvar 100, i needed alot and still used ventolin (salbutamol) 3 times a day. anyway, advair is a blessing for me… so far. the downside is that when i take my advair inhalation, there seems to be some of it in my mouth… i can taste it and feel it…. and i have developed oral thrush i have never developed thrush before from any other inhaled steroid. after taking advair, i have been rinsing my mouth just as i did when i took qvar. obviously, that is not good enough. can those that take advair, please tell me what measures you go to, to prevent thrush?! sure there is the rinsing, but do you just use plain water? do you use salt water? do you rinse for a certain period of time or use a certain amount of water? do you rinse with something besides water? LOL… lots of questions! as for the thrush, im experienced in treating it as i had to treat my son when he was an infant. i have started taking acidophilus and liquid nystatin (yuck!). i hope to get rid of my infection with the nystatin and then prevent re-infection with the acidophilus. i know that gentian violet is effective (i used that with my son) but i cant afford to be stained purple i figure that i will have to take acidophilus as long as i take advair (have to find the right dose)… but if that is all i have to do to reap the benefits of the medication than i have no problem with that. does my approach to thrush sound realistic to get rid of it and to prevent re- infection? i have checked the other members of my family and they do not seem to have thrush, thank goodness. thankyou in advance for any input! Carolyn
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How about eating the yogurt, with the 3 good types of bacteria, incl. acidophilus every day? There are many choices: organic, non or low fat, and even in the supermarket these days. Read the label to be sure of what you’re getting. I am sure to take it when I’m on antibiotics. I’ve not used Advair, so I don’t know about it’s effects. Cola pvisserorcca – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->i have been taking the normal dosage of advair 250 (disk) for the last 3.5 >weeks and am having great success with it. frankly im sure that it is the >best asthma medication that ive ever taken. what proves it to me is that >i have not used a rescue inhaler — not once — since i started taking >advair. with the last steroid i took, qvar 100, i needed alot and still >used ventolin (salbutamol) 3 times a day. anyway, advair is a blessing >for me… so far. >the downside is that when i take my advair inhalation, there seems to be >some of it in my mouth… i can taste it and feel it…. and i have >developed oral thrush i have never developed thrush before from any >other inhaled steroid. after taking advair, i have been rinsing my mouth >just as i did when i took qvar. obviously, that is not good enough. can >those that take advair, please tell me what measures you go to, to prevent >thrush?! sure there is the rinsing, but do you just use plain water? > do >you use salt water? do you rinse for a certain period of time or use a >certain amount of water? do you rinse with something besides water? >LOL… lots of questions! >as for the thrush, im experienced in treating it as i had to treat my son >when he was an infant. i have started taking acidophilus and liquid >nystatin (yuck!). i hope to get rid of my infection with the nystatin and >then prevent re-infection with the acidophilus. i know that gentian violet >is effective (i used that with my son) but i cant afford to be stained >purple i figure that i will have to take acidophilus as long as i take >advair (have to find the right dose)… but if that is all i have to do >to >reap the benefits of the medication than i have no problem with that. does >my approach to thrush sound realistic to get rid of it and to prevent re- >infection? i have checked the other members of my family and they do not >seem to have thrush, thank goodness. >thankyou in advance for any input! >Carolyn
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